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The legendary analyst and Business Insider founder explains how AI's private market valuations echo 1990s excess while revealing the hidden leverage that triggers tech crashes.
Key Takeaways
- AI shows clear bubble characteristics in private markets while public tech stocks trade at reasonable valuations, unlike the broad-based dot-com bubble
- OpenAI's $300 billion valuation requires $100 billion revenue by 2029 to justify current pricing, with preferred stock providing downside protection for investors
- The dot-com crash was triggered by "hidden leverage" where IPO funding created circular revenue streams that disappeared when public markets closed
- Current AI exhibits similar circularity with companies like Nvidia investing in customers who buy Nvidia chips, creating artificial demand loops
- Tech industry's shift toward Trump stemmed from feeling unappreciated by Biden administration despite being America's most successful global industry
- China trade war represents misguided strategy that ignores economic integration benefits and the impossibility of "beating" a larger economy
- Media distribution advantages that enabled Business Insider's success no longer exist as the web has been "deprecated" in favor of controlled app-based platforms
- Startup culture's intensity was necessary but unsustainable, creating therapeutic work flow states alongside damaging personal costs
Timeline Overview
- 00:00–15:00 — Personal introductions and relationship context; Henry's role as Joe's former boss at Business Insider; career trajectory connections
- 15:00–30:00 — AI bubble analysis compared to dot-com era; OpenAI valuation breakdown; preferred vs. common stock protection differences
- 30:00–45:00 — Narrative importance in tech investing; Tesla/Elon Musk as prime example of storytelling driving valuations beyond fundamentals
- 45:00–60:00 — Dot-com crash mechanics explained; how IPO funding created circular revenue that vanished when public markets closed
- 60:00–75:00 — Current AI funding circularity and incestuous relationships; Nvidia investment strategies and demand creation concerns
- 75:00–90:00 — Tech industry's political evolution toward Trump; reasons behind Silicon Valley's shift from Democratic support
- 90:00–105:00 — China relations and trade war criticism; argument for economic integration over adversarial competition
- 105:00–120:00 — Wall Street research evolution post-bubble; IPO market changes and retail investor access limitations; media industry transformation analysis
Private Market AI Bubble Versus Public Market Rationality
Unlike the broad-based dot-com bubble, current AI excess concentrates in private markets where valuations have reached dot-com era extremes without public market participation creating systemic risk.
- Public tech stocks trade at "high but arguably reasonable earnings multiples" with companies like Nvidia at "30 times earnings or 35 times earnings" representing rational pricing for monopolistic positions
- Private AI startups receive "half a billion dollar valuations" simply for having "a PhD and a white paper," creating clear bubble conditions reminiscent of 1999 internet companies
- OpenAI's progression from $100-150 billion valuations (previously considered insane) to $300 billion in months demonstrates classic bubble acceleration patterns
- The company's "12 billion of revenue this year" represents "incredible growth for a company that is 5 years old, growing at a faster rate than pretty much any company in history"
- Projected $100 billion revenue by 2029 would justify current valuation at "three times revenue" but requires everything going right in an uncertain technological landscape
- Professional investors purchasing preferred stock get "downside protection" where "SoftBank and others who invested at 300 billion would need OpenAI liquidated at less than 40 billion to lose money"
The Power of Narrative in Technology Investing
Technology valuation often depends more on compelling future stories than current financial performance, with successful entrepreneurs mastering the art of "reality distortion fields" that sustain investor belief.
- Tesla exemplifies narrative-driven investing where the stock "trades at a multiple that has almost nothing to do with its current operations and everything to do with Elon Musk and some imagined future business"
- Musk's storytelling abilities surpass even Steve Jobs, demonstrated by his capacity to "go on an earnings call on a disastrous quarter, tell a story about robo taxis and humanoid robots and trillions of dollars of revenue" and see the stock rise 20%
- Successful narratives require balancing visionary storytelling with actual execution: "Elon has done on the business side some things that are simply astounding, creating eight companies when one would be hall of fame performance"
- Business education should emphasize storytelling over traditional finance because leaders must "rally people to work together to create a better future" through compelling vision communication
- Sam Altman at OpenAI demonstrates similar narrative mastery, using storytelling to maintain investor confidence despite massive capital requirements and uncertain profitability
- The suspension of disbelief required for revolutionary technology investment depends on leaders who can paint credible pictures of transformative futures
Hidden Leverage and Circular Revenue Creation
The dot-com crash resulted from hidden leverage where IPO funding created artificial revenue streams that disappeared when public capital markets closed, offering lessons for current AI funding patterns.
- Traditional leverage involves debt, but dot-com era featured "incredible public market appetite" where "every new company would go out and raise $30 million" and immediately spend it on other tech companies
- This created circular revenue: "if I were an investor in an IPO, that was turned into revenue for Yahoo" through portal deals, server purchases, and software contracts
- Traditional economy panic buying accelerated the cycle as "old economy companies and their management teams were getting totally shamed" leading to competitive spending on internet initiatives
- The system collapsed when "the IPO market closed and the debt markets start to close suddenly the tap got cut off and within 9 months Yahoo dropped 93% because all of its revenue disappeared"
- Current AI shows similar patterns with massive capital expenditure: "Microsoft now they're all spending $80 billion a year on capex" creating potential vulnerability to sudden demand shifts
- The "deepseek moment" represents the key risk where breakthrough efficiency "we can do it with a little software, we don't need to spend all that much on chips" could crater the entire infrastructure investment thesis
AI Funding Circularity and Market Manipulation
Contemporary AI financing exhibits the same circular, incestuous patterns that characterized dot-com era excess, with companies funding their own demand through complex investment relationships.
- Direct circularity appears in arrangements like "Nvidia investing in Core Weave so that they could buy Nvidia chips" creating artificial demand for semiconductor products
- Hedge funds providing "loans to CoreWeave based on GPUs" as collateral creates interconnected risk where chip values and lending depend on each other
- Private market opacity makes tracking these relationships "very difficult" because "so much of it is happening in the private market between hedge funds and private equity"
- Nvidia's market position depends on "having monopoly power being the only source of these chips" but faces existential risk if "demand for those chips drop or China vaults past us in chips"
- The DeepSeek announcement "unsettling" markets because it suggested similar AI quality "without the chips" threatening the entire capex-heavy infrastructure investment thesis
- This creates scenario where "Nvidia is actually trading at 200 times next year's earnings" if demand assumptions prove incorrect
Silicon Valley's Political Realignment
Tech industry support for Trump emerged from feeling systematically unappreciated by the Biden administration despite being America's most globally successful industry, creating resentment that overcame traditional political alignments.
- The "level of personal anger involved" surprised observers, with "victory laps taken by very powerful and influential folks in Silicon Valley" revealing "seething anger and desire for payback"
- Biden administration "did not do a good job of making the technology industry writ large feel even a little bit appreciated" despite tech being "one of the United States most powerful successful industries"
- Specific grievances included "anti-billionaire rhetoric" and excluding Tesla from EV conferences when "we are saying that EVs are an existential part of America"
- The "woke wave" created tension where "Silicon Valley companies feeling like there were attempted takeovers by the employees over the CEOs" prompting leadership backlash
- Financial calculation played a role: "this administration, referring to Biden, just way too much regulation and process, and they clearly don't like what we do"
- Support now "shifting back" as tech leaders recognize Trump administration as "the most anti-United States business administration in anybody's memory"
China Relations and Economic Integration Benefits
The current bipartisan consensus treating China as an adversarial competitor ignores economic integration benefits and the mathematical impossibility of "beating" a larger economy.
- Trade represents "cooperative activity, like a potluck dinner" rather than zero-sum competition requiring adversarial approaches
- China's economic development where "hundreds of millions of people moved out of poverty" represents "an extraordinary accomplishment, that is a good thing, not a bad thing"
- Economic integration creates peace incentives since "the richer countries get, the less likely they are to defend themselves with missiles"
- Current trade war approach forces companies like Apple to relocate supply chains to India rather than America, achieving neither reshoring nor economic benefits
- The "more integrated our economies are the better" approach would involve multilateral pressure: "get together with Europe and other countries in Asia and say hey guys we love working with you but you got to change a few things"
- China's inevitable larger size requires acceptance: "China is going to be much bigger and more powerful than the United States, they are, that's okay" following historical precedent of US surpassing Europe
Post-Bubble Wall Street Research Evolution
Regulatory changes following the dot-com crash addressed perceived conflicts of interest but failed to solve underlying structural problems while creating new limitations on market access.
- The "mortifying episode" of analyst conflicts led to separation between research and investment banking, but "so many of the ratings are still positive" for structural reasons
- Positive rating bias persists because "analysts only cover the companies that they like" and "when the markets are going up, most stocks go up"
- The "biggest thing that has been lost that sucks" is "we don't have an IPO market anymore" preventing retail access to early-stage growth opportunities
- Current system forces retail investors toward unregulated secondary markets with "no idea what the company's financials are" and "no idea what the capital stack looks like"
- Early-stage IPOs provided valuable market discipline where "the discipline of a company going public is good" for corporate governance and transparency
- The preference for "a range of options" where "95% of investors shouldn't go anywhere near early stage tech IPOs" but choice should exist rather than regulatory prevention
Media Industry Transformation and Distribution Control
The internet-era advantages that enabled new media companies like Business Insider no longer exist as distribution has shifted from open web platforms to controlled app-based environments.
- Business Insider succeeded because "distribution got completely blown up" allowing new companies to "grab hold in a way that would have been much more difficult before"
- The web created opportunity "between the morning newspaper and the TV evening news where lots of cool things were happening" with desktop access throughout workdays
- Current environment makes replication impossible because "the web has been completely deprecated in terms of its influence" as "everything has moved to apps"
- Modern media distribution "looks much more like what it did in the TV and paper days where it's controlled distribution, shelf space matters"
- Paywall proliferation creates user experience problems where "you got to sign into every site on every platform, it's infuriating"
- New successful media companies build "direct distribution like email and app" rather than relying on web-based discovery and aggregation
Summary
Henry Blodget's analysis reveals how AI's private market bubble mirrors dot-com excess through circular funding relationships and narrative-driven valuations, while public markets remain relatively rational. His insights on tech's political realignment, China relations, and media transformation draw from lived experience of both creating and surviving previous technology cycles, offering sobering perspective on current enthusiasm.
Practical Implications
- For Investors: Recognize that AI bubble risk concentrates in private markets where preferred stock provides professional investors downside protection unavailable to retail participants
- For Policymakers: Understand that tech industry political support requires appreciation rather than antagonism, especially for globally successful American industries
- For Companies: Prepare for potential "deepseek moments" where technological breakthroughs could rapidly obsolete capital-intensive infrastructure investments
- For China Relations: Consider benefits of economic integration and multilateral pressure over adversarial decoupling that may isolate America from global growth
- For Media Entrepreneurs: Focus on direct distribution channels rather than web-based models that worked in previous decades but lack current effectiveness
- For Startup Culture: Balance necessary intensity for survival with sustainable practices that don't exclude significant portions of potential workforce
- For Market Structure: Advocate for IPO market reforms that provide retail access to early-stage opportunities while maintaining appropriate risk disclosures