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How to scrappily hire for, measure, and unlock growth | Crystal Widjaja, Gojek and Kumu

Former Gojek SVP Crystal Widjaja reveals how she built growth engines in Southeast Asia. She advocates for a "scrappy" methodology—from renting stadiums to manual features—proving that doing things that don't scale is often the only way to eventually unlock massive scale.

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Southeast Asia’s tech ecosystem operates at a velocity and scale that often eclipses Silicon Valley. At the center of this rapid expansion is Gojek, a "super app" that completes more daily rides than Lyft and more food deliveries than Grubhub, UberEats, and DoorDash combined. Crystal Widjaja, the former Chief of Staff and SVP of Growth at Gojek, and currently Chief Product Officer at Kumu, has been instrumental in building these growth engines from the ground up.

Widjaja’s approach to growth challenges the standard playbooks used by many American startups. Rather than relying solely on polished features and established frameworks, she advocates for a "scrappy" methodology rooted in the specific physics of the market. From renting stadiums to onboard drivers to manually simulating features via WhatsApp, her strategies prove that doing things that don't scale is often the only way to eventually unlock massive scale.

In this deep dive, we explore Widjaja’s frameworks for high-velocity growth, her contrarian views on analytics, and how to structure a team that can handle the chaos of hyper-growth.

Key Takeaways

  • Validate with "Wizard of Oz" tests: Before building complex features, validate demand manually. If you can't prove value with a spreadsheet and a WhatsApp group, code won't solve the problem.
  • The 60% Retention Rule: For early-stage consumer apps, aim for 60% week-one retention that flattens out. If your friends and family won't stick around at an 80% rate, the product likely isn't ready for the market.
  • Distinguish Observation from Insight: Most analytics efforts fail because they stop at observation (what happened). Real growth comes from insight (why it happened and the context surrounding the user).
  • Hire for Statistical Intuition: The most critical skill for an early growth hire isn't marketing experience; it is the ability to understand sampling, selection bias, and first-principles thinking.

The "Do Things That Don't Scale" Methodology

There is a misconception in the startup world that scalability must be baked into a product from day one. Widjaja’s experience at Gojek suggests the opposite. To ignite growth in a market with low digital literacy and high friction, the team had to rely on brute-force operations before they could rely on software.

The Stadium Strategy

When Gojek needed to onboard drivers rapidly, they didn't rely on digital funnels. They rented a literal football stadium. The company set up long lines, boxes of phones, and SIM cards, processing 60,000 drivers in a matter of weeks. While this approach terrified some observers due to the logistical risks, it was necessary to secure the supply side of the marketplace instantly.

Wizard of Oz Testing

This scrappy mentality applied to product features as well. When testing a new subscription service, the team avoided engineering work entirely. They added 100 drivers to a WhatsApp group and instructed them to pitch a subscription package to passengers.

"It works. It's really this Wizard of Oz experience. We don't have to build anything... We were able to validate some of the value prop and conversion rates that we would expect in a subscription service."

By manually handling the backend—deducting money from driver balances and crediting users via spreadsheets—they validated the business model without writing a single line of production code. This approach saves months of development time by ensuring you only build features that have proven demand.

Defining the Physics of Your Growth Model

Founders often look for "growth hacks" or generic loops, but Widjaja argues that every growth strategy must be grounded in the specific "physics" of your company: the market, the product, the model, and the channels.

Leveraging Unconventional Assets

At Gojek, the team realized their strongest asset was not digital ad space, but the physical presence of drivers. They utilized drivers as a sales force to drive adoption of GoPay (their digital wallet). Since drivers were "trapped" in a car with a passenger for the duration of a ride, they had a captive audience.

The growth team built a system to flag when a passenger hadn't used GoPay. They then incentivized the driver to pitch the service during the ride, accept cash from the passenger, and top up the passenger’s digital wallet instantly. This single lever drove 60% of their acquisition for the wallet product.

The Problem with Copying Frameworks

Widjaja warns against blindly applying growth loops from other companies. A strategy that works for a SaaS company in Silicon Valley may fail for a consumer app in Indonesia because the user psychology and infrastructure constraints are different.

"You have to think about the physics of the current market, the product, the model, and the channels that you're using... It’s very hard to move the physics of a universe when you are trying these new things."

Start by auditing what currently works and identifying the constraints. Only then should you apply quantitative inputs to see if a proposed loop is physically possible within your ecosystem.

Why Most Analytics Efforts Fail

Despite the abundance of data tools available, many companies fail to derive value from their analytics. Widjaja attributes this to a confusion between "news" and "entertainment." Real news is information that changes your behavior; entertainment is data that simply looks interesting but drives no action.

Observation vs. Insight

The core failure mode in analytics is stopping at observation. An observation is a fact, such as "Power users do four times more bookings." While true, this is not actionable. It lacks context.

An insight adds the "why" and the context. For example: "Power users are more likely to use a free shipping discount on a high-GMV (Gross Merchandise Value) basket compared to non-power users." This is actionable. It tells the marketing team to target specific discounts only to high-value baskets for specific users, optimizing spend.

The Importance of Event Properties

Bad instrumentation is easily identifiable by looking at a tracking plan. If you have thousands of event rows but few properties attached to them, you are tracking noise. To understand the "why" behind an action, you must capture the state of the world at the moment the event occurred.

For a ride-sharing app, tracking a "booking request" is insufficient. You must track:

  • How many drivers were visible on the screen?
  • Was surge pricing active?
  • What was the weather at that latitude/longitude?
  • Did the user have a voucher available?

Without these properties, you cannot determine if a drop in conversion was due to product failure, price sensitivity, or simply a lack of supply.

Structuring and Hiring a Growth Team

Building a growth team requires a different mindset than hiring for core product roles. In the early days, a growth team often acts as a "cleanup crew," filling the gaps between marketing, product, and engineering.

The Ideal Profile: Statistical Intuition

Widjaja prioritizes statistical literacy over specific tool knowledge. A growth hire must understand concepts like selection bias, sample sizes, and probability. If a growth manager looks at a ratio without considering the base size, they will make catastrophic prioritization decisions.

When interviewing candidates, utilize case studies that test "first principles" thinking. Ask them to design an experiment and observe if they account for random sampling and control groups. The goal is to find someone who can identify the right opportunity mathematically, rather than just chasing the flashiest feature.

When to Establish a Dedicated Team

A standalone growth team is most effective when a company has already achieved strong product-market fit. At this stage, the core product team is often overwhelmed with maintaining stability and building roadmap features. The growth team steps in to optimize the funnel, run experiments, and ensure that the influx of new users can successfully navigate to the "aha moment."

Conclusion

Crystal Widjaja’s journey through Southeast Asia’s tech giants offers a masterclass in adaptability. Whether it is renting stadiums to solve supply constraints or treating data instrumentation with the rigor of a scientific experiment, the underlying theme is a refusal to accept surface-level answers.

For founders and product leaders, the lesson is clear: Growth is not about blindly following a checklist. It is about understanding the unique physics of your business, measuring the right context, and having the courage to execute scrappy, unscalable solutions to prove your hypotheses.

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